Can somebody explain the most recent Israel/Palestine conflict?

[RICHARD]

On May 14, 1948, the British left; Israel declared they were an independent state, and the modern wars began. Israel and the Palestinians have been fighting ever since.

Thanks, So maybe I was in the ballpark?


Let me clarify the "people that get dead" comment.

The terrorists get THEIR OWN PEOPLE DEAD because they do not give a shiat about them.

They build and hide terrorists shops that make the rockets, bombs and hide the mortars that they shoot into Israel.

When the Israeli's come back and blow the crap out of those sites the Hamas and every other goofball group start using the stupid media to say that innocent people were killed in a "directed" attack on those sites.

The goofballs shoot the rockets and mortars, which are random shots into neighborhood. When you have AHs that hide behind the skirts of women and the collection of the elderly and children to pull off some chicken shiat attacks on innocent people, how can they claim that they are being abused/killed/persecuted?

That's the nonsense that starts all the wars and problems in the area.

A bunch of lowlife turds that are not held responsible for their actions.

[caseysmom]

That's it, I've had enough.

I'm tired of the double standard which exists here.

Had I said that about a woman on this board I'd have had my head handed to me in an instant.

You constantly insult people, and constantly use condescending language when referrig to a few posters in particular.

How in hell you get away with it I have no idea, but I've had enough.

Take your elitist crap and find another place to peddle your superiority complex.

For the record I think that you did not deserve that comment Lady's Human and even though we sometimes disagree you treat the other side with respect that you are debating with.

[jennielynn1970]

My ex was a Palestinian living in Egypt.

There was a time where Palestinians were not allowed to get back into Palestine because Palestine wasn't considered a "country" and those people who were traveling or out of country were considered a refuge. His status, before he became an American citizen, was still a Palestinian Refugee.

Everything that I gathered from him, and a lot of it was more than I really wanted to know because it turned into a lecture at times. However, that being said, he really did know a lot about the circumstance. His grandfather also does journalism and radio talks about Palestinian causes (grandpa has lived here for over 40 years).

Almost of the strife you hear of now goes back to when the Jews were "given" the country of Palestine by after WWII. This is land they say they were promised in the Bible/Torah. However, there were people already living in that area, all over that area, and that area was called Palestine.

Instead of finding an area where they wouldn't be moving people out of their homes, it was decided to take all of the Palestinians and move them into a designated area, put them in refugee camps and basically remove all of their human rights. Much like what the Nazis did to the Jews.

Maybe it's just me, but how does what the Jews went through give them the right to do the same thing to another people?? I never understood that. It may have said in the Bible/Torah that you were supposed to be promised a certain land, but if someone else is already there, technically it's already taken, you can't just move them. At least I don't think you should be able to.

Why make others suffer because they had suffered??

My ex also had relatives who are Hamas. How about living in a shack of a house, and having no indication anything is going on, and in the middle of the night, a tank comes and plows down the house with the family in it? Killing everyone?? How does Israel get that right??


They have been, and will always be, fighting over the initial taking of the land. The Palestinians, and whomever else were there, deserve to have their land back. They deserve to live in homes, not refugee camps, not subjected to all the crap that they go through.

Just because in the Torah/Bible it said that the Israelis were promised that land by God, doesn't mean that another people should have been harmed to give it to them.

The whole thing makes me sick. The way one group treats the other. It just goes back and forth, and until the Palestinians get their land back, yes THEIR land, it's not going to stop, nor should it. I wouldn't want to be moved out of my house because in someone else's Bible it said it was "given" to them by God. I bought it, I live here, too bad, suck it up and go get your own place that no one is living in.

That's my take.


Wish my ex was around(he's visiting Egypt) cause he could write it out and explain it better than I could.

And yes, Palestinians are still considered refugees. From what I gathered in Egypt, citizenship was determined by the father, and my ex's father was Palestinian. His mom is Egyptian. Mom cannot give him citizenship (like we can here in the US). He was born in Kuwait, when his dad was working there, but is not a Kuwaiti citizen. His citizen ship goes with the father in Egypt, and his father is not an Egyptian. Citizenship over there is confusing.

[Karen]

I have deleted comments in this thread that were not appropriate for Pet Talk. Please remember to treat each other with respect.

[popcornbird]

Jenn Librarian, I completely agree with you. I have many, many Palestinian friends, and most of them have the same story. Refugees, kicked out of THEIR homeland. Everyone has the right to peace and safety in their land. Everyone has the right to peace and safety in their homes. Everyone has the right to defend their land and home from criminals. The Palestinians have suffered too long. They have been kicked out of the land that belonged to them. They were kicked out of their homes where they were raising up innocent families and children, and made into refugees, thrown into refugee camps to make room for foreigners who didn't belong there. Their homes were destroyed, family members killed. Why? Because the Jews think they're the chosen people, and that's the land God chose for them? Maybe its because of their crimes against humanity that God took the land away from them and gave it to another nation. The Israelis even hit a boat that was bringing in relief supplies for the victims in Gaza. Can you believe that?? Its a big shame. So many people have suffered in this conflict. So many children have been killed. And to think...this conflict wouldn't even exist if the land was just returned to its rightful owners. The Palestinians deserve to have their land returned to them.

The conflict in Palestine/Israel is just the fruit of injustice. Such situations will always arise when injustice is allowed to rule in the land. Only when injustice is abolished will peace prevail. God knows when and if that will ever happen. I don't see it happening in our lifetime. Its a sad, sad situation, and I pray for all those who are suffering for no crime of their own.

[Giselle]

]Why? Because the Jews think they're the chosen people, and that's the land God chose for them? Maybe its because of their crimes against humanity that God took the land away from them and gave it to another nation.

Hmm, that's a vengeful God that I'd rather not subscribe to. To each his/her own. *shrugs*

Interesting info and perspectives. It's rather difficult maintaining objectivity in this situation, isn't it? Hmm, I will be perusing the aforementioned links in the meantime.

[RICHARD]

I think that the people who do the suicide bombings and shoot off rockets and mortars are to blame.

The way I see it, the first set of idiots who start this a-holery should not complain about getting the same back.

The Palis have had chance after chance to sit down and broker a peace deal-The other Arab nations in the surrounding areas use the Palis to war with the Israelis, then claim to be a brotherhood.

I had to laugh at the Iranian youth groups that claimed to have signed up 10,000 volunteers to go to Israel and blow themselves up.


Stay at home and play with explosives there.

[KYS]

[QUOTE by popcornbird:. Why? Because the Jews think they're the chosen people, and that's the land God chose for them? Maybe its because of their crimes against humanity that God took the land away from them and gave it to another nation. >>>>>>>>>>>

I will pray for you popcornbird. Such hate.

1:The Palestinian refugee problem has remained unsolved for approximately 60 years, causing suffering and instability throughout the Middle East.
The Arabs' rejection in 1947 of UN General Assembly Resolution 181 - which would have partitioned the British Mandate area into an Arab state and a Jewish state - and the ensuing war they started in the hope of destroying Israel. Many Palestinian Arabs who lived in areas where the fighting took place abandoned their homes, either at the request of Arab leaders, or due to fear of the fighting and the uncertainty of living under Jewish rule. A refugee problem would never have been created had this war not been forced upon Israel by the Arab countries and the local Palestinian leadership.
Sadly, during this period there were innumerable refugees fleeing wars and conflict in many parts of the world. Almost all of these were resettled and their lives rehabilitated. The sole exception remains the Palestinians, deliberately kept as refugees for political aims.

The fate of the Palestinian refugees stands in sharp contrast to that of the many Jews who were forced to flee Arab countries in the wake of the establishment of Israel, leaving behind a great deal of property. Despite the difficulties, the hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees were absorbed as citizens of the State of Israel.

The Arab countries, with the sole exception of Jordan, have perpetuated the refugee problem. The refugees continue to live in crowded camps, in poverty and despair. Few attempts have been made to integrate them into the numerous Arab countries in the region. These refugees, their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren remain today in a number of Arab countries with no political, economic or social rights.

It's a very complicated and sad situation for everyone. I pray daily that
we will have a world of peace that respect everyone's faith and nationality.

2: Humanitarian aid, Here is a story did not make the front page news:
and I hope aid is now getting through:

December 31 2008:
Israel with the humanitarian effort in coordination with the international organizations, Palestinian Authority and various donors. Ninety three trucks, with approximately 2500 tons of humanitarian aid, medical supplies and medication were conveyed through Kerem Shalom cargo terminal. The World Food Programme has informed Israel that they will not be resuming shipment of food commodities in to Gaza due to the fact that their warehouses are at full capacity and will last for approximately two weeks.

Since the beginning of operation "Cast Lead" some 6500 tons of aid have been transferred at the request of the international organizations, the Palestinian Authority and various governments. Preparations are underway to facilitate further shipments expected to arrive in the coming days.

[cassiesmom]

Hamas keeps launching rockets into Israeli territory, using civilian areas of Gaza as launch sites, and by doing so endangers both the civilians in Gaza and the people they're launching them at.

Why, though? Why is Hamas launching rockets into Israel? What are they hoping to gain by rocketing Israel?

Why is the Middle East so troubled by conflicts? I was watching a story on PBS Frontline yesterday about Iraq and Afghanistan. Is it because the cultures are so old, you know, long-standing conflicts over generations and centuries? Will the Middle East ever be a peaceful part of the world? Is world peace a reasonable goal anymore?

[RICHARD]

Why, though? Why is Hamas launching rockets into Israel? What are they hoping to gain by rocketing Israel?

Why is the Middle East so troubled by conflicts? I was watching a story on PBS Frontline yesterday about Iraq and Afghanistan. Is it because the cultures are so old, you know, long-standing conflicts over generations and centuries? Will the Middle East ever be a peaceful part of the world? Is world peace a reasonable goal anymore?

The terrorists want to provoke Israel into a "war" and grab the support of the Arab nations that have, for the last umpteen years, turned their backs on the Pali problem.

Like the child that needs the attention and support of the family that knows they are the loose cannons of the brood.

The anarchists (Hamas and the other groups) feel that this is the only way to get any recognition for their plight.

They have to realize that they need to 'behave' before they are taken seriously.

[Giselle]

Despite some rather difficult words exchanged here, I really do appreciate the information from everybody. Thank you, KYS; I gained a lot of information from your answer, and I encourage anybody to share their knowledge - but I would like to keep this as objective as possible.

[jennielynn1970]

The terrorists want to provoke Israel into a "war" and grab the support of the Arab nations that have, for the last umpteen years, turned their backs on the Pali problem.

So you're saying that the "terrorists" are the Palestinians, and not the Israelis? (Wouldn't you agree that there are terrorists on both parts? Anyone who is radical and going out and harming the innocents, to me, is a terrorist.)

Who is on who's land?

Who's land was taken from them?

Who are now refugees in their own land?

And you wonder why they are pissed off???

Reminds me of the American Indians and how we moved them into their own little "refugee camps" that we like to call RESERVATIONS.

[caseysmom]

So you're saying that the "terrorists" are the Palestinians, and not the Israelis? (Wouldn't you agree that there are terrorists on both parts? Anyone who is radical and going out and harming the innocents, to me, is a terrorist.)

Who is on who's land?

Who's land was taken from them?

Who are now refugees in their own land?

And you wonder why they are pissed off???

Reminds me of the American Indians and how we moved them into their own little "refugee camps" that we like to call RESERVATIONS.

Maybe the Israeli's will let the Palestenians have Casino's.... That will even everything out!

[Twisterdog]

Almost of the strife you hear of now goes back to when the Jews were "given" the country of Palestine by after WWII. This is land they say they were promised in the Bible/Torah. However, there were people already living in that area, all over that area, and that area was called Palestine.

Instead of finding an area where they wouldn't be moving people out of their homes, it was decided to take all of the Palestinians and move them into a designated area, put them in refugee camps and basically remove all of their human rights. Much like what the Nazis did to the Jews.

Maybe it's just me, but how does what the Jews went through give them the right to do the same thing to another people?? I never understood that. It may have said in the Bible/Torah that you were supposed to be promised a certain land, but if someone else is already there, technically it's already taken, you can't just move them. At least I don't think you should be able to.

Why make others suffer because they had suffered??

I agree completely.

[RICHARD]

Reminds me of the American Indians and how we moved them into their own little "refugee camps" that we like to call RESERVATIONS.

Or just like the stupid Mexicans who claim that the southwest still belongs to Mexico?

I grew up in the time where the Brown Panthers and all the dumb hispanic/latino groups were selling their "take back California" BS on campuses and in the community.

You can't change history, only the future, the poor, uneducated folks in the refugee camps aren't to blame-It's the educated FAHs who keep the masses stupid, poor and down that are to blame.


I haven't heard of a man or woman trying to keep 3.4.5 kids fed and out of trouble launching rockets or blowing themselves up for something that happened 60 years ago.

That is the prob in the ME, Too many AHs that want to rewrite history.

Get on with your bad selves and try to make the future for the kids a better place.

Instead they start a fight that ends with a Falcon or Cobra shoving a missile into a mosque, school or hospital where the Hamas have hidden out.

What a bunch of gutless bees turds!